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Class Categories
How about adding categories for champion classes, it would be useful imo. Champions like Jaheira and others offer bonuses to specific classes and it would be nice to know which champions share the same class for this type of skill bonuses.

What it implies is creating new categories for each class type (Category:Fighter, ...Rogue, ...Cleric, ...Wizard, etc) and making edits to the Champion template so that the class field value provides a link to that category in the code. I'm confident I can make these changes myself but I'm posting about it here first mostly to avoid any potential issue with the wiki admins. I'm a wiki admin myself and I wouldn't want a new editor to start out by making broad changes like that.

Admins: feel free to comment on this suggestion!

Cheers, SerRydian (talk) 00:34, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Not sure about editing the templates, especially for champions with multiple classes... but adding new categories doesn't seem like a bad idea. Thunder 2700 (talk) 06:35, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Ok, I'll create the categories and look at the Champion template afterwards. Maybe there's a way to add a "class2" parameter with the same if function and make the value appear after the "class" param on the same line, separated by " / ". We'll see. Thanks for your reply, SerRydian (talk) 00:31, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * How will you deal with Champions like Korth? Samurai (Fighter) must remain intact. (So no changing it to Samurai/Fighter or anything.) Hm... Thunder 2700 (talk) 14:58, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I've treated Korth and Spurt's classes as subclasses of the Fighter and Rogue classes respectively, have a look at the Champions category tree. It goes Champions > Classes > Fighter > Samurai (Fighter) in Korth's case. And for the changes to the Champion template, I think it turned out ok, not perfectly done but flexible enough.  SerRydian (talk) 22:17, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Uniting this wiki with Fandom's Idle Champions community
For those who have not yet heard: Last year, Gamepedia and Fandom joined forces and are now two platforms on the same network. Later this year, we'll even become one unified platform. The teams at both Gamepedia and Fandom want to encourage our communities to work together now instead of splitting their efforts and competing with each other for readers and new editors.

I'd like to know how all of you here feel about uniting with Fandom's Idle Champions community. That would mean we archive one wiki - lock it from editing but keep the pages accessible to readers - and put a banner up that directs visitors towards the other, active wiki. Anyone who used to edit the now-archived wiki would be able to contribute to the active wiki, and any content on one side that's missing on the other can be moved over with edit histories intact. Note: No merger will take place if both communities don't agree to it.

The advantages of becoming one community working together are clear: By working together, all fans of Idle Champions could build a resource on the game more effectively, keep it up-to-date more easily, and players would no longer be confused as to which site they should turn to for information.

There are two questions

 * Are you interested in merging with your partner community on Fandom?
 * If so, where should the future active wiki live?

Both wikis have significant amounts of content. The Fandom wiki receives about 142,000 pageviews per month. Here on Gamepedia, it's about 124,000 per month. That would make Fandom the more likely choice, but what really matters is where editors want to edit. Could you see yourself contributing to the Fandom wiki? Would you love to see the two communities united, but only if it's here on Gamepedia? Would you prefer to keep the two communities separate entirely? Please speak up!

Can't wait to hear what you think! --Pcj (talk) 20:54, 12 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Here are my thoughts about merging with Fandom: Pageviews are nearly identical with a 18,000 view difference per month. Just from that, I wouldn't call the Fandom wiki the more likely choice as the amount of pageviews are pretty even with each other. I'm willing to believe that most of Fandom's pageviews can be contributed to the Combinations page and where both wikis are advertised.


 * Considering the content across both wikis, I would say the Gamepedia is the ideal wiki. Gamepedia is much more up-to-date with the current content in this ever-changing game than Fandom. Trying to update every page on Fandom to match the same information on Gamepedia would be a nightmare of a challenge and completely unnecessary in my opinion, considering the general page layout of every page and the templates involved. In addition, I find the Fandom wiki much more difficult to navigate and the Fan Feed to be quite annoying.


 * I would like to say that the only things that Fandom has over Gamepedia are the Combinations page, the (former) Event Token Calculator, and the ability to comment easily on almost every page. The List of combinations on Fandom's Combinations page is constantly updated unlike the rest of the wiki, from what I could see. The Event Token Calculator on Fandom is also nice, but it broke during the Fandom/Gamepedia merge and hasn't been fixed since.


 * If our editors on Gamepedia were to give the same attention to our Combinations page as Fandom's page, I believe pageviews on the Fandom page would drop considerably.


 * Am I interested in merging with your partner community on Fandom?
 * I am not sure. The "any content on one side that's missing on the other can be moved over with edit histories intact" statement is a bit of a concern as both wikis have pages with identical names and file attachments that could be the same across both wikis but have different names. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding what is going on here and what will happen. As long as we have input on what gets moved or not, I would accept the merge provided that the future active wiki lives on Gamepedia.


 * If so, where should the future active wiki live?
 * The future active wiki should live on Gamepedia if we were to merge. --Thunder 2700 (talk) 01:56, 13 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I am currently the most active editor of idle champions on gamepedia, before choosing this platform to edit I had already observed the fandom, I found the layout very polluted, and they only update combinations and nothing else, when I want to see combinations I look for the discord or the steam forum. But the discussion is about the merger of the two wikis. Will one no exist anymore? The fandom is far behind in updates with 16 only in combinations last 30 days, I think I would stop editing instead of trying to update everything again, that's my opinion.
 * Are you interested in merging with your partner community on Fandom?
 * I agree with thunder, how do we do with the templates and differences between the two wikis? Are there any tools that will help us to match? if there are I'm interested.
 * If so, where should the future active wiki live?
 * Our database is bigger than theirs. I guess the best place will be on gamepedia --ThousandDaggers (talk) 03:46, 13 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I think we should merge, and I think gamepedia should be the main wiki. The fandom wiki layout is extremely narrow, made narrower by a pointless sidebar. The layout is only suited for mobile, not for desktop like gamepedia. All the champion pages on fandom are difficult to read and ugly owing to the tall layout. Compare it to the compact layout on gamepedia. Txtsd (talk) 17:41, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Although I only rarely edit this or that, here's my thoughts.
 * Are you interested in merging with your partner community on Fandom?
 * There is hardly a community to merge. If anything, we were interested already. The question is rather can a merged wiki be better then two seperated ones and this is mainly a question of what tools can be deployed. How easy is it to move templates? Groups of interwoven templates? Can we overwrite pages if a page of the same name exist on both wikis, but the one in the to-be-archived one is the better one? How about paragraphs? Would we need to determine all pages to be moved manually? We're not really talking about merging communities - we're hardly half a dozen ppl anyway - we're talking about merging content (and layout/templates/etc).


 * If so, where should the future active wiki live?
 * Currently the gamepedia wiki has up-to-date content, the fandom has not. This might in part be mitigated if it was possible to overwrite pages. One important question for me is: With the upcoming "Unified look-and-feel across platforms and devices" changes, will it be neccessary to rework all the templates on gamepedia anyway, because this wiki will not keep it's proportions, but get the ugly narrow unreadable look that fandom has?

☃ Kyōdō  02:39, 14 November 2020 (UTC)


 * It's not quite decided yet what the new unified skin will look like, so don't quote me on this, but things are pointing towards a skin that has neither the very narrow content area Fandom has, nor the no-limits width Gamepedia has. We're aiming for a combination of the best of both worlds. You might want to rework some templates when that skin comes to use the new layout and features in an optimal way. However, nothing should outright break with the introduction of the new skin, you can simply choose to update things then, or choose not to. I wouldn't make the platform's skin the sole reason for deciding in favor of one wiki over the other since that skin will be changing everywhere - but then no one here has named that as the only reason why they prefer Gamepedia.


 * So far, no one on the Fandom side has voiced any opinions on whether they'd be open to joining the community here, so it's still to early to say which way this may go. I can say this, though: If a merger were to happen, the community (you) would get to decide which pages from the archived wiki you want to move to the active wiki. We have tools (export and import) to move content automatically with edit histories, but especially if content with the same titles already exists on both sides, some manual reworking is required. If you just want to transfer individual paragraphs rather than entire pages, you'd have to do that the pedestrian way (copy & paste while attributing the original page that paragraph came from). You would not have to do this alone. You'd have to pick and choose what you want to keep, but staff could then help with the work to ensure the best content we have on Idle Champions ends up on the one and only active wiki. The other wiki would stay readable, always accessible for future exports of any contents that got overlooked, but all editing would happen on the active wiki. I hope that clarifies a bit how a merger would work! Mira Laime (talk) 00:19, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Export / Move requests

 * so reading the posts on fandom, we are just supposed to write here what is supposed to be moved. So I have two requests just to see how it works:
 * a) could you adjust the banner at the top, so it reads to come here when you wanna help with merging instead of when you wanna voice your opinion
 * b) Could you move all pages of https://idle-champions.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Transcript, along with the category page and all associated templates, media, etc. ?
 * thank you ☃ Kyōdō  16:24, 6 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I've done what I could for part b, for now anyway. Probably the images have to be renamed to their gamepedia versions or look for them on the Fandom wiki and manually bring them over. As for the templates, I'm assuming they didn't export because they are default ones or something. The pages in Category:Transcript might have to be manually adjusted. Thunder 2700 (talk) 20:12, 6 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I have adjusted the banner to reflect that the Fandom wiki is now archived, and that any additional help with moving content is welcome! Mira Laime (talk) 03:19, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Welcome
I would like to extend our warmest welcome. We are all happy and excited having talented new members and editors as part of our family. We hope to have a long and successful journey together. ThousandDaggers (talk) 20:16, 8 February 2021 (UTC)